Charles Gretton Book Project
January 20, 2009
The Gretton Project
A book about Charles Gretton by Warner Meinen and Dennis Radage
Project Update – January 2009
In our letter of October 2008, published in the December 2008 issue of Antiquarian Horology, we committed to publish a list of our findings, tabulating all of the identified Gretton clocks and watches. We specifically want to highlight all of the identified clocks whose whereabouts are unknown to us. Charles Gretton became an eminent and well respected maker of fine clocks and watches in London, he was however born in Claypole, Lincolnshire, see Photo 1.
In October 2008 we had identified 106 clocks and watches. As it turned out though, closer examination revealed several duplicates, so our count was reduced slightly. However, following the publication of the October letter, several new clocks, previously unknown to us, have surfaced. Our current count therefore now stands at 107 items; 36 are table/spring clocks, 48 are longcase clocks, the watch count remains at 20 and the lantern clock count remains at 3.
We know the current whereabouts of 54 of the clocks and watches, this leaves another 53 that we know of, have a catalogue or book image of, but do not know the current owner nor the location of the item. Of the ones that we do know the whereabouts of, these are mostly with private individuals and museums, although a few are currently with dealers. Most of the identified but unlocated clocks have been identified by images from old books and auction catalogues.
We will list below the clocks and watches in four tables, listing longcase clocks, Table 1. Spring/table clocks, Table 2. Lantern clocks, Table 3, and watches, Table 4. We do not own the copyright for most images, however, we have been able to obtain a release from all private owners, dealers and auction houses, specifically for use in this project and our book. More work is still required to obtain similar releases from other institutions and museums. However, it is not intend to publish the images in this article.
Our tables list all items in each category, along with a brief description. For the unlocated items, a reference is given as to the last known image, whether it be from an auction catalogue or book. Located items are listed as such indicating whether the item is privately owned, in a museum or with a dealer. For confidentiality reasons, we have not listed the provenance (last known publication) of items in this located (private) category. It is our hope that owners of clocks that we do not have a current location for, will identify their clocks from the brief description and the last known reference. As previously mentioned, we do have images of all of the untraced items, although some images may be poor. If an owner believes that they have an unlocated item and would like to confirm this, please contact us and we will, in confidence, send you a copy of the image that we have on file.
Some interesting statistics are starting to emerge from this project; of the 107 items identified by Gretton, 45% are longcase clocks, 33% are spring/table clocks, 19% are watches and just 3% are lantern clocks. Refer to Figure 1. Further, of the longcase clocks, we have located 37%, that is 18 of the 48. Of the spring/table clocks, we have located 50%, that is 18 of the 36. Of the watches, we have located 83%, that is 16 of the 20, and of the lantern clocks we have located 2, which is 66% of the 3 known lantern clocks. One of the lantern clocks recently came up for auction but was eventually sold privately to an international buyer.
It is interesting to note that the smaller the timepiece, the better chance we have of locating it. 83% being watches, 50% for table clocks, 66% for lantern clocks but just 37% for longcase clocks! This seems counter to any fear of the timepiece being stolen. Would this also imply that longcase clock owners are more private of their ownership, or are these clocks in the homes of individuals who are not active collectors, thus do not read the current horological journals? This would be unfortunate since Gretton’s greatest output would seem to have been longcase clocks, many being impressive examples such as those from the Wetherfield Collection.
While we have by no means concluded our research, initial estimates indicate that Gretton was making clocks from right after his apprenticeship in 1672 until the late 1720’s, more than 50 years of making clocks. While dating has not been completed yet, Gretton’s peak output seems to have been during the 1690’s. Refer to Figure 2. Initial estimates also indicate that while table clock production peaked in the 1690’s, they continued to be made into the 1720’s. Longcase clocks also peaked in the 1690’s but production dropped off quite significantly after about 1700. Watch production seems to have started early and continued through 1700. Refer to Figure 3.
We know that Gretton employed journeymen and apprentices, and his working period spanned more than 50 years. He was an active member of the Clockmaker’s Company for much of that time so we can assume that his focus was indeed the making of clocks and watches. It is likely that a number of his timepieces were destroyed, dismantled or lost, this is evidenced by locating watch movements, dismantled table clock movements and plain sheet dials, signed but without anything attached. One longcase movement was found in a farmer’s field.
From these statistics it remains purely guesswork as to how many timepieces Gretton and his staff may have made. We believe that the number certainly exceeds just those that we have identified. Hopefully more owners will come forward. We particularly hope that we are able to locate some of the 53 known but unlocated clocks and watches. Since there are so many unlocated longcase clocks, we would very much appreciate hearing about some of these.
As has been mentioned previously, this project is being managed from both Vancouver, Canada, and from the Netherlands. Research is slow and expensive and our time in the UK is severely limited. We would certainly like to spend more time with current owners and more time examining the clocks we find. Unfortunately though, with two or more items to photograph per day, and often 100 or 200 miles between owners, visiting time is usually limited to just a few hours. Taking acceptable photographs under these conditions is indeed challenging, while our equipment is good, we have less than ideal conditions, no studio so photographing in situ is the most likely scenario. We do have lighting, but due to voltage differences we rely mostly on the new “all voltage” daylight LED lights. While good, we never seem to have sufficient lighting. Setting up and packing the equipment takes more than half our time and actual photography may take an hour or so thus leaving relatively little time for discussion and touring collections. Naturally we do need to document specifications, take dimensions and sign the appropriate releases.
Our next visit to the UK is already scheduled for May this year (2009). We have already arranged to visit several private owners to photograph and document their Gretton clocks and watches. However, we still need your help. If you know of any Gretton clocks or watches, or if you have information which you feel might assist this project, we would be delighted to hear from you. We would truly appreciate your support – confidentiality is assured. Please contact either Warner or myself.
Thank you
Dennis Radage
2515 Marine Drive
West Vancouver, B.C.
V7V 1L5. Canada
604-921-1666
grettonproject@telus.net
Warner Meinen
Beukenlaan 3
9431 CS Westerbork
The Netherlands
017-431-0783
grettonproject@hetnet.nl
Table 1: Longcase Clocks List
ITEM ID |
BRIEF DESCRIPTION |
LAST KNOWN |
LOCATED |
LOC |
LC1 |
Walnut, 9 ¼” sq dial, B&S maintain power, early hands, flat top |
Sotheby’s lot 63 09/07/64 |
no |
NA |
LC2 |
Walnut, 9 ½” sq dial, B&S maintain power, early hands, flat top |
Sotheby’s lot 362 22/02/90 |
no |
NA |
LC3 |
Walnut, 10” sq dial, B&S maintain power, early hands, flat top |
|
Yes – private |
UK |
LC4 |
Walnut, 10” sq dial, flat plinth base, flat top |
Sotheby’s lot 267 78 & 80 |
no |
NA |
LC5 |
Floral marquetry, lenticle, 10” sq dial, flat top, bun feet |
Sotheby’s lot 294 14/12/89 |
no |
NA |
LC6 |
Floral marquetry, lenticle, sq dial, domed top with finials |
Wetherfield Collection |
no |
NA |
LC7 |
Floral marquetry, lenticle, 11” sq dial, flat top, flat plinth base |
Bonham’s lot 226 14/07/99 |
no |
NA |
LC8 |
Floral marquetry & cherubs, lenticle, 11” sq dial, flat top, qtr striking |
|
Yes – private |
CA |
LC9 |
Arabesque marquetry, lenticle, 11” sq dial, flat top, block feet |
Sotheby’s lot 936 07/06/86 |
no |
NA |
LC10 |
Walnut flat top, lenticle, 11” dial, flat plinth base, 5 latched pillars |
Bonham’s lot 148 25/10/08 |
no |
NA |
LC11 |
Arabesque marquetry, sq dial, flat top, bun feet |
Naon Arg. Christies NY lot 5 - 06 |
no |
NA |
LC12 |
Floral marquetry, lenticle, sq dial, domed top, flat plinth base |
Wetherfield Collection Fig. 38 |
no |
NA |
LC13 |
Floral marquetry, lenticle, arch dial, domed top & fin, pad feet |
WC & EDC fig 181 |
no |
NA |
LC14 |
Floral marquetry, lenticle, 11” sq dial, domed top, flat plinth base |
Sotheby’s lot 262 18/12/86 |
no |
NA |
LC15 |
Floral marquetry, lenticle, 11” sq dial, flat top, flat plinth base |
Sotheby’s lot 138 03/03/96 |
no |
NA |
LC16 |
Floral marquetry, flat top |
Millers & Christies 97 & 2000 |
no |
NA |
LC17 |
Seaweed marquetry, lenticle, 11” sq dial, domed top, flat plinth |
Sotheby’s lot 176 05/07/02 |
no |
NA |
LC18 |
Floral marquetry + border, lenticle, sq dial, flat top, bun ft. |
Solvang Antiques USA 2007 |
no |
NA |
Table 2: Spring Table Clocks List
Clock ID |
BRIEF DESCRIPTION |
LAST KNOWN |
LOCATED |
LOC |
BK1 |
Ebony, gilt top, T&S+R, date@ VI, no finials |
|
Yes - dealer |
UK |
BK2 |
Ebony, gilt top, T&S+R, ball finials |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK3 |
Ebony, pad top, T&S, date @ VI, no finials |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK4 |
Movement, T&S |
Private restorer |
no |
? |
BK5 |
Ebony, gilt top, T&S, date @ VI finials, alarm |
Sotheby’s lot 76 26/06/76 |
no |
? |
BK6 |
Ebony, silver top & mts, date @ XII, three train, finials |
V & A Museum |
Yes - museum |
UK |
BK7 |
Ebony, gilt top & mts, date @ XII, single train, |
Sotheby’s lot 207 02/78 |
no |
? |
BK8 |
Movement, T&S+R, date @ VI, false Pend. |
Early English Clocks |
no |
? |
BK9 |
Ebony, pad top, single train |
Sotheby’s lot 99 11/12/54 |
no |
? |
BK10 |
Ebony, pad top, gilt mts, T&S, false Pend, date @ VI |
V & A Museum |
Yes - museum |
UK |
BK11 |
Ebony, gilt top & mts, finials, single train, date @ XII |
Sotheby’s lot 43 09/07/64 |
no |
? |
BK12 |
Ebony, gilt top & mts, finials, T&S, false Pend, 2 sub dials |
|
Yes - private |
NL |
BK13 |
Ebony, Pad top, gilt mts, T&S, date @ VI, 2 sub dials, false Pend |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK14 |
Ebony, gilt top & mts, T&S, date@ VI, finials |
Christies lot 389 29/03/01 |
no |
? |
BK15 |
Ebony, gilt top & mts, finials, single train, date@ XII |
Sotheby’s lot 57 28/06/78 |
no |
? |
BK16 |
Ebony, pad top, single train, date@ XII |
Sotheby’s lot 153 24/06/74 |
no |
? |
BK17 |
Duplicate |
|
|
|
BK18 |
Ebony, pad top, T&S + R, date @ VI, false Pend, 4 sub dials |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK19 |
Ebony, gilt Double basket & mts, finials, T&S + R, moon & date |
|
Yes - private |
CA |
BK20 |
Kingwood, pad top, + mts, T&S, date @VI, false Pend |
Christies lot 70 + GBC |
no |
? |
BK21 |
Ebony, small pad top, T&S, fls pend, date above XII |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK22 |
Ebonized, inv bell top, Time, false Pend, date dial in arch |
Sotheby’s SA lot 3 19/04/04 |
no |
? |
BK23 |
Ebonized, inv bell top , T&S, false Pend, date dial in arch |
Wetherfield Collection |
no |
? |
BK24 |
Ebonized, inv bell top , T&S, false Pend, date dial in arch |
|
Yes - private |
USA |
BK25 |
Ebonized, inv bell top , T&S, false Pend, date @VI, sig in arch |
|
Yes - other |
UK |
BK26 |
Ebonized, inv bell top , T&S, false Pend, date @ VI, seconds in arch? |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK27 |
Kingwood, gilt top, finials, time, date@ XII |
Image from NAWCC |
no |
? |
BK28 |
Ebonized, later bell top, T&S, date @ VI, arch dial |
Hy Duke lot 748 29/09/06 |
no |
? |
BK29 |
Kingwood, pad top & mts, , T&S, date @ XII |
Christies lot 100 |
no |
? |
BK30 |
Kingwood, pad top & mts, T&S, date @ VI |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK31 |
Kingwood, gilt top & mts, T&S, date @ VI, false Pend |
Garths Ohio lot 1068 05/05/07 |
no |
? |
BK32 |
Ebony, pad top with mts, time, false Pend |
Bonham’s lot 163 22/04/98 |
no |
? |
BK33 |
Ebony, Pad top, T&S, false Pend. Date @ XII |
|
Yes - private |
DE |
BK34 |
Kingwood & marquetry case, T&S, false Pend. Date @ VI |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
BK35 |
Ebony, Low pad top, finials, false Pend, T&S, 4 sub dials, |
Bonham’s lot 121 |
no |
? |
BK36 |
Ebony, gilt top & mts, time |
Private restorer |
Yes - private |
UK |
BK37 |
Ebony, pad top, ebony, time, false Pend. |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
Table 3: Lantern List
Clock ID |
BRIEF DESCRIPTION |
LAST KNOWN |
LOCATED |
LOC |
LT1 |
30H lantern, no alarm, wide chapter ring, foliage fret |
Wetherfield Collection Fig. 4 |
no |
NA |
LT2 |
30H lantern, no alarm, wide chapter ring, foliage fret |
UK auction 2008 |
Yes - private |
Int |
LT3 |
30H lantern, no alarm, wide chapter ring, foliage fret, winged |
|
Yes - private |
UK |
Table 4: Watch List
Watch ID |
BRIEF DESCRIPTION |
LAST KNOWN |
LOCATED |
LOC |
W1 |
Silver pair case, pierced inner & outer case, silver dial, alarm |
Artistry of English Watch p85 |
Yes - CC |
UK |
W2 |
Filigree in gold |
Artistry of English Watch p93 |
no |
NA |
W3 |
Ornamented tortoiseshell, Lee family arms |
Artistry of English Watch p105 |
no |
NA |
W4 |
Gold watch, enamel back & enamel dial with white chapter ring |
|
no |
NA |
W5 |
Gold pair case, chased outer, gold dial, steel hands. |
Clocks & Watches in CC p 26 |
Yes - CC |
UK |
W6 |
Gold pair case, gilt champlevé dial, 2 steel hands, signed dial |
|
Yes - Private |
UK |
W7 |
Silver pair case silver champlevé dial single hand |
|
Yes - Private |
UK |
W8 |
Gold pair case white enamel dial two hands |
|
Yes - Private |
USA |
W9 |
Silver pair case silver champlevé dial single hand |
British Museum |
Yes - Museum |
UK |
W10 |
Silver cased, silver champlevé dial, two hands, rear plate seconds |
British Museum |
Yes - Museum |
UK |
W11 |
Verge movement |
British Museum |
Yes - Museum |
UK |
W12 |
Gold cased watch, gilt champlevé dial two hands |
Ashmolean Oxford |
Yes - Museum |
UK |
W13 |
Octagonal silver cased watch, silver champlevé dial one hand |
Ashmolean Oxford |
Yes - Museum |
UK |
W14 |
Gretton movement in later skeletonized silver case |
USA dealer – Pieces of Time |
no |
USA |
W15 |
Gold pair case watch shagreen back, gilt champlevé dial two hands |
|
Yes - Private |
NA |
W16 |
Gold pair case, gilt champlevé dial, 2 steel hands, signed dial |
|
Yes - Private |
UK |
W17 |
Silver pair case, inlaid outer tortoiseshell, silver champlevé dial |
|
Yes - Private |
UK |
W18 |
Silver pair case, outer tortoiseshell, white enamel dial two hands |
British Museum |
Yes - Museum |
UK |
W19 |
Silver cased, white enamel dial, two hands |
|
Yes - Private |
UK |
W20 |
Watch – no details |
Liverpool Museum |
Yes - Museum |
UK |

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